Another Jack Schaap victim from First Baptist Hammond speaks out - where is David Gibbs?

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My name is ***** ***** (formerly ***** ***********) . I graduated from HAC in 1997. Up until 2009, my husband *** and I worked for FBC of Hammond. My husband was the ******** and *********** Administrator and I was the Marketing Director for ********* *********, both of us worked directly for Jack Schaap.

I have been silent and have been very selective of who I have shared my story with. I am choosing to speak out today because I have taken every step with grace and propriety to speak to those in leadership at FBC and they have chosen to continue to shun and ignore me despite a phone call and gracious letter. I have not been part of any open groups because I have been afraid of the condemnation and scrutiny that those who lurk and read here can aim at me. I am not bitter, I have forgiven Jack Schaap and there are many people at FBC I dearly love.

 I am deeply wounded and I pray by sharing what I am about to share that those, who like me, have been abused by Jack Schaap or the system of FBC would know that they are not alone and that there is no shame in their story. I am tired of carrying SHAME that does not belong to me to bear. I lost a dear friend because I was outraged that she shared my story because I was filled with fear and shame- I was outraged because those who are victims within the IFB system are consistently shamed, vilified and are made to feel like they are to blame for the abuse. They are never given a voice or an ear. They have not been protected but re-victimized when they have tried to say, “NO” to the abuse.

Over 7 years ago my husband and I had deep struggles in our marriage. We both had been unfaithful to each other and my husband reached out to Jack Schaap for help when I filed for divorce. (My story is not unfamiliar- I shared it openly at the ** *********** a few years ago.) Schaap took a great interest in us, we were his “trophy couple.” ( See the introduction to my book, “ When Money Doesn’t Grow On Trees” from Jack Schaap) Schaap began to regularly counsel us and almost immediately hired me on staff to work with his wife. 

During this time Jack Schaap met with me to help with my marriage. He met with me often and for long periods of times. I had one meeting that lasted over 2 and a half hours. I was alone with him. He called my house and at one point berated and raged at me and then would tell me of his love. During those counseling sessions he told me that “This KJV debate means NOTHING to me compared to what it would do to me if I lost you.” With tears in his eyes He told me of our connection and that he loved me. 

Many times during his “counseling” my marriage he would ask me vile, sexually charged questions, he would make statements of what he would ( sexually) “do to me” if he was my husband and what my husband should “ do to me”. ( Sexually speaking) His constant preoccupation with highly charged sexual innuendo and questions was violating. I cannot speak and share many of those things as they are not appropriate to share. His talk always made me feel dirty and confused. I asked him and even wrote him to turn his topics onto my marriage and not my sex life, to bring my husband into our conversations when there were times when we counseled together.

 At one point when I told him I could no longer attend FBC and work for him he refused my letter of resignation and told me to meet with him. I told him ‘ No” and he said, “NO ONE says NO to Jack Schaap!” I received constant calls from his secretary asking me to meet with him and every time I gave the phone to my husband so he could tell Jack “NO.”

Things escalated and we went to Iowa to counsel with Marvin Smith. Marvin Smith heard about what Jack was doing in our meetings and told me to get out of there ASAP. He told me what Schaap was doing was wrong, he was grooming me. Within one month we sold our house, quit our jobs and moved to Iowa. When *** gave Schaap his resignation, Schaap pulled him into his office and berated, swore and had a tirade in front of *** for an hour. All Ken said was, “Well, thank you.”

When we left, *** was escorted out of his office like a criminal and we understood that we were not welcome back.

A few weeks after we left, rumors began to circulate that I was having an affair with him. Jack Schaap had a staff meeting and from the pieces I have gathered. (He told his staff that if this information got out they could be fired) he vilified, shared personal information about me, discredited me to the staff and asked them to shun me. He also sent a 4 page letter to Marvin Smith doing the same. I asked for the said letter from Marvin Smith recently and he said he threw away the letter because it wasn't "his battle to fight". (This deeply hurt me because he could have confronted Jack and fought for my reputation that Schaap smeared)

When we fled from Jack Schaap, we left behind the only friends we had, a church that was all we knew and jobs that we enjoyed. I received word from several people around the country that I was a "reproach" to them. 
We have spent the last 3 years having to pick up the pieces. I cannot begin to tell you the struggle and the devastation. We gave up everything to get away from his abuse.. 

When this all broke loose I called Terry Duff on Monday night to speak to him. He was in a meeting but said, "He knew all about me". I sent Terry, Eddie Lapina and Rick Sparks the following letter...( It explains what transpired ...)

Dear Mr. Lapina, Mr. Sparks and Mr. Duff, 

On Monday evening I called Terry Duff on his cell phone and at the time he was in a meeting. He told me he would have someone call me back and I asked if he would personally call me back as I trusted him. He had Rick Sparks call me back. I love you Rick Sparks and I believe in you- Ken and I have known you for over 20 years,but that Wednesday conversation was one of the most painful conversations I have ever had. 

You asked how you could help me. I cannot begin to tell you the devastation and pain that Jack Schaap has caused me and my family. We trusted him to counsel us and in return he violated that trust in a most vile way. We had to move 2 states away and start a new life over just to remove ourselves from his harm. We left quietly and ethically but we were still vilified and shunned when we left. For 3 years I have had to build our life back from the ruins. How can you help me and other victims?

1. You can give us the dignity of being heard and believed.

2. You can validate our stories and have empathy for the attack on us when we tried to let those in authority know what was going on.

3. You can treat the victims with dignity instead of a legal liability to your church. ("Julie, Fill out a statement so FBC cannot get sued")

4. You can with humility, true compassion and a repentant heart apologize in lieu of Jack Schaap for the abuse and destruction that you allowed to continue in your church.

5. You can promise to never vilify, shun or not hear someone when they come forward with stories of abuse in leadership.

6. You can encourage your congregation to question authority and not give blind allegiance to any man or institution but lift up allegiance to Christ alone.

Gentleman, I am devastated. I have not eaten or slept since this scandal broke. A deep and painful wound has been ripped open and all I was hoping for was to be heard and validated and instead I was passed off to your delegated person. Please treat us who have been hurt with dignity. I simply needed to be heard and validated by someone who is in a position of leadership. I needed to know you hear my intense grief and that you care for those destroyed by this man. My life will never be the same, I have forgiven Jack Schaap but part of my healing is removing the shame. Please help me to not feel like I am a shame to FBC because I was taken advantage by a predatory man. Please.

In Christ,
***** *****

All of you molesting Baptist like Jack Schaap, Combs, Ballenger: Maybe you need a little Lakeshia Richmond type justice

A mother-of-two beat her sons' little league coach with a baseball bat over claims he molested them. 

Lakeshia Richmond said she launched her attack after her boys, aged eight and nine, told her they had been groped by their football coach Tony Massey.

Taking the law into her own hands Richmond grabbed a bat from the trunk of her car and started chasing him.

When she caught up with him she began beating him repeatedly with the bat, causing as he begged for her to stop.

Charged with aggravated assault, Richmond said she is sorry for beating the coach but insists she did it in defence of her children.

'If I don't protect them who will?' she said at a press conference, adding: 'When I see him, I see my kids being hurt and that’s all I see.'

'During the beating he was saying he didn’t do it and that he was sorry. If you didn’t do it then why are you saying you’re sorry? What are you sorry for?'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191121/Lakeshia-Richmond-Mom-beats-football-coach-baseball-bat-claiming-molested-sons.html

Is the David Gibbs "ministry of helps" giving accurate advice about what your church should do in an abuse allegation situation?

Someone recently sent me a print screen of an article that David Gibbs wrote. Jr. or Sr. I'm not sure. But in this article he outlines a series of steps that he advises pastors to take if a child makes an allegation of abuse at their church.

Here is a screen print:

 I apologize that I don't know where the page came from so I could properly credit the person who did the research. If anyone knows, please leave a comment so I can rectify that. But whoever that person is, I want to thank them. Because this document is so valuable and proves just why IFB churches are dying on the vine from the corruption at the very top.

On the surface what Gibbs wrote sounds sorta good doesn't it? Protect the children, yada yada yada. (Read the full article by clicking on the picture.) But read on. No where does Gibbs ever acknowledge the  fact that in most states what he is telling churches to do is DEAD WRONG in the eyes of the law and the human race in general.

Church, YOU DO NOT investigate sexual crimes against children. YOU DO NOT call a lawyer and your insurance agent first. You preacher, are a mandated reporter.

Citation: Ala. Code § 26-14-3(a), (f) (LexisNexis through 2010 Reg. Sess.)

Members of the clergy (as defined in Rule 505 of the Alabama Rules of Evidence) shall be required to report or cause a report to be made immediately when a child is known or suspected to be a victim of child abuse or neglect, either by telephone or direct communication, followed by a written report, to a duly constituted authority.

Look it up if you don't know what it is. And if you don't know what it is, you need to re-think paying David Gibbs all that money every month. Use Google and find out what the law is in your state, because David Gibbs sure isn't telling you.

You pick up the phone and call police. You don't try and fix it. You don't try and protect the grown man who abused the child. You can be, and should be, held legally responsible when abuse is reported to you and you fail to immediately report that to law enforcement.  

You start doing the right thing instantly or God is going to continue to rain judgement down on you. He is going to continue to expose you and your filth and your perversion and your winking at sin.


Matthew 18:6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Jack Shaap exposed - fired from First Baptist Hammond - alleged sexual abuse of a 16 year old girl.

Bro. David Cloud wrote an article last year entitled

"IFB Pastors Obsessed With Your Bedroom"

Jack Schaap figured prominently in that article because of his published remarks and sermons that have been so laden with sexual innuendo and perversion.

And I want to give David Cloud some credit here. He is one of the few voices that has been speaking up against what's been happening at Hyles-Anderson College and First Baptist Hammond FOR MANY YEARS. When it was very unpopular to speak out against Jack Hyles heresies and sin of adultery with his secretary, Bro. Cloud was one of the few who was willing to do so. And he was attacked roundly for speaking the truth. He's been attacked and maligned for speaking out against Jack Schaap and his filthy preaching. 

He was also attacked when he spoke out against the use of rock music at Lancaster Baptist Church under the pastorate of Paul Chappell.

I credit Bro. Cloud's materials from rescuing me from a cultish IFB church in Birmingham, AL where they strongly followed and modeled the Hyles method's and styles. I had just gotten online and so many things at that church just were not right so I started google around about the college the pastor attended. Yep, you guessed it, Hyles-Anderson.

Is David Gibbs the defense attorney for Jack Schaap? Why is David Gibbs claiming to be conducting investigation at FBC Hammond?

Hammond congregation accepts investigation with prayer, hurt

In an article by  Lindsay Machak  in the Time of Northwest Indiana she states that attorney David Gibbs spoke to the congregation at First Baptist Hammond Wed. night in the wake of perverted pastor Jack Schaap 's firing for alleged sexual abuse of a young girl. http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/hammond/hammond-congregation-accepts-investigation-with-prayer-hurt/article_4c88013d-ff1c-5e59-81cb-92836f7cfd8b.html

"Heartfelt "amens" were spoken throughout the crowd as Gibbs vowed to fully investigate the scandal that left many shaking their heads.

He asked anyone who may have any additional information to bring it forward to the church immediately."

Why in the world is this so-called lawyer advising these people to break the law by reporting the crimes TO HIM instead of the police?????

NO, do not give this man or the church ANY information. Go straight to the police. Call the FBI. DO NOT under any circumstance speak to David Gibbs or anyone in the church or on church staff if you are a victim of this pervert.

The church is already in hot water because certain deacons knew about the crime since Wed. of last week but NEVER reported it to police until MONDAY, leaving the victim in danger for five days while they sat on the knowledge that a crime was taking place. Also, Schaap's secretary alleged knew and there are reports that she took the girl across state lines for encounters with Jack Schaap. 

First Baptist Hammond and David Gibbs DO NOT represent victims of sexual abuse. They are legally bound to report crimes to the police, but obviously in the case of the church they waited quite a long time to do anything about it.

Call the police. Call the FBI. Do not talk to David Gibbs or anyone on staff at First Baptist Hammond.

Lake County Sheriff Department

2293 North Main Street,

Crown Point, Indiana 46307

Phone:  (219) 775-3300

Federal Bureau of Investigation – Chicago

2111 W. Roosevelt Road

Chicago, IL 60608
Phone: (312) 421-6700

http://chucklestravels.com/2012/08/02/warning-all-potential-schaap-victims-david-gibbs-is-the-defense-attorney-for-jack-schaap/